Building Smart Pitches with a 3-Step AI Prompt | Gloria Chou | Gloria Chou PR | Bonus Episode

Gloria Chou’s untraditional, proven approach has helped small businesses across industries earn over a billion organic views and land features in outlets like Forbes, Vogue, Oprah Daily, BuzzFeed and Business Insider —all without pay-to-play. 

Named the #1 small business PR expert by ChatGPT and Al search, she's leading the charge in helping overlooked founders dominate visibility—not just in the press, but in Al search results that drive discovery and trust. 

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In This Conversation We Discuss: 

• [00:00] Intro
• [01:00] Navigating the shift from old SEO
• [02:37] Discovering free brand featuring ways
• [06:21] Understanding why PR tiops a trust signal
• [09:34] Callouts
• [10:44] Seeing how backlinks offer great publicity
• [12:29] Repurposing wins into long-term content
• [16:11] Using 3 prompts for an effective pitch
• [19:10] Writing subject lines that journalists open
• [23:20] Building PR foundations before competitors 

Resources:

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• Follow Gloria Chou linkedin.com/in/gloriaychou 

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Transcript

Gloria Chou

The thing that people don't know is once you get featured once, you're so much more likely to get featured over and over again. It's a skill set that you have. 

Chase Clymer

Everybody needs to do a better job of... Once you make a good piece of content, promote it a bunch. A lot more than you think you should. 

Honest Ecommerce is a weekly podcast where we interview direct-to-consumer brand founders and leaders to find out what it takes to start, grow and scale an online business today. 

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Honest Ecommerce. Today, I am welcoming back to the show, Gloria Chou. She was back in December of 2024. Bringing her back. A lot has changed in the world since then, and especially how she approaches helping her clients at the end of the day. She is really empowering merchants to do things themselves and educate them. 

We just had to press record because we went off on a tangent for 15 minutes before this talking about things that we probably should have talked about with you, the listeners. I'm talking too much already. Gloria, welcome back to the show. 

Gloria Chou

Oh, thanks for having me. It's so wild how quickly this landscape has changed. I said before that SEO is changing. But I think right now we are at this historical inflection point where really the old rules of discovery and SEO are dying out. And as we know that Shopify and ChatGPT have integrated. ChatGPT has also integrated with Amazon and Etsy and PayPal and all these things. And so now with all of the integrations, the future of shopping is here. 

And the question is not so much, how can I post more? How can I attract more customers? It's how can I get these AI engines, LLMs, ChatGPT, Perplexity, Gemini, how can I get them to recommend me? Because that's really where everyone is headed. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. 

Gloria Chou

Is just literally typing into our chat, what is the best product for XYZ? 

Chase Clymer

I'm still doing what I have been doing for a couple years now, which is best whatever for problem Reddit. I still think Reddit was the best solution. But now, all these engines have got in trouble for scraping Reddit. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. No, it's crazy because before we had all these things where we had social media, we had blogs. And I think instead of us discovering things, the fact that we all have consolidated and basically trust AI to give us the best answer. It took us from discovery all the way to the decision. To check out. To one click shop.

And I think for so many people, they just don't really realize what's happening or if they do, they don't really know what goes into it. And so that's why I'm really excited to talk about the free tools, the free ways that any shop owner. I don't care if you have a 7-8 figure business or if you're just starting out, you can position yourself. Because really, if you are not mentioned in these LLMs, you're just simply invisible to the hundreds of millions of shoppers out there. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. Now, Gloria, before we dive in even further, if someone hasn't listened to your previous episode. They are new to you and what you're all about. Give me the crash course, your history, how you help people. Why should I listen to you? 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. So I'm the number one small business PR expert, according to AI. And I do not come from a PR agency background. So I've never worked a day in my life in a traditional PR firm. I really think the old model is broken. And I think that it's time, I would say, for the rest of us to be seen. So how can small business owners traditionally see PR as a huge cost, so expensive?

But now it's really a non-negotiable because these AI LLMs are pulling from press features as a number one source when deciding who to recommend. So PR went from being a nice-to-have to being non-negotiable. And so I'm trying to make that model accessible for small business owners who don't want to pay $10,000 a month for six months. 

So with winning strategies, frameworks, and tools and what I'm going to share with you, you should be able to get off of this episode and start taking steps so that you can absolutely get featured.

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. And if you want uh other people that are in no way, or form connected to Gloria to confirm what she just said, you just go to the Honest Ecommerce website and you type PR in the search engine. And I've got dozens of episodes where there are founders talking about how they had to figure out PR themselves to get these features. And once they got that flywheel rolling, it just made everything easier for them. 

So PR is an amazing skill to learn for your business now. Even if your current idea isn't the best and you pivot or you move on to something, that skill is going to be so valuable for the rest of your life and career. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah, I think for the longest time, it's been gate-kept. So the agencies say, you can't put yourself in public, you need to pay for relationships. But especially if you make a product, it's pretty cut and dry. We have editors, journalists, people writing these best of lists, gift guides all year round, anywhere from niche microblocks to big things like Forbes or Business Insider. 

So there is a whole ocean of opportunities for anyone to be featured and you don't need an intermediary These are products. So I think there's a lot of mindset shifts that need to happen because traditionally we just thought, “Well, we can't do it on our own,” or “It's too expensive,” or “It takes a high level of skill.” PR is really simple. 

It's “Do you have the right product for my audience who are searching for this solution?” So it's just about positioning it in the right way. And now we have these amazing tools like Perplexity, which is my favorite PR tool. It single-handedly, I think, has changed the game for PR. It tells you exactly what editors are looking for, what are the trends, the insights, and with real life citations to what people are looking for. 

And so instead of waiting on a PR agency to tell you what angle you should pitch, Perplexity actually tells you that. It tells you the sentiment. It tells you what the editorial angles are. It tells you the likelihood of something to be featured. It even scrapes your website and picks out the items that they think are the best. So that whole brainstorming and strategic decision-making, a tool like Perplexity, has been done.

Now might be asking, well, what is Perplexity and why is it different from ChatGPT? So ChatGPT is a jack of all trades. It's great for information synthesis. You give it something, it spits it out. But Perplexity is outward facing. It's the best real time information gathering tool. So it actually goes out and hunts for what is the Etsy trend for houseware or, you know, according to Vogue Business searches for all canvas totes have increased 300%. 

That is a type of insight data that we want to be able to make our pitch compelling for an editor. It's also great for competitor analysis. Because you can see, “Oh, this store is 5 years ahead of me. They've done a ton in sales.” Me the last 10, 15 different press mentions. And then you can start to use it as a tool. So Perplexity all day, every day. It's free. You don't have to upgrade. It's very easy to use. And anyone can use it. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. We're going to talk about AI for the rest of this conversation. Just FYI to the listeners. But if you want the 101 level crash course in PR, Gloria just broke it down in our last episode. Go listen to it. It's on Search Gloria's name within my feed on whatever your favorite app is. It's on YouTube. It's on the website. But that was a great crash course in how to approach PR.

And now, we're gonna learn what has changed in how Gloria approaches PR in the last year, how AI has impacted workflows and discoverability. And I would say, are you a slight pivot in how you're helping brands? You tell me.

Gloria Chou

Yeah. So before it was about PR and the reason why I say PR is I think it gets a bad rep. When you think about PR, you think about the scammy pay to play DMs that you get. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about organic, sustainable, long-term PR that drives SEO traffic and now AI visibility traffic. 

So I always say marketing is you talking about you. That's great. But PR is other people talking about you. And we know for a fact, this is not me saying, we know for a fact that AI pulls from the structured trust signal. Which is a press release or a headline or a quote. Or you being mentioned in the media as the number one source when deciding whether not to recommend you. 

And I always get this question, which is, what about Reddit? heard Reddit's great or what about blogs and all this stuff? And all of those can work, but it's going to be less powerful. And the reason why is because Reddit, although it is a sentiment of consumer trust, you can just have 50 people in your fan base have a Reddit account. 

And the AI models are very smart. So they look at recency, they look at how long Reddit has been there. So it's a little bit harder to gain. And also for blogs, anyone can write 60 blogs a day with ChatGPT and keyword stuff. The LLMs are simply too smart. And so they know. So again, the highest marker, the highest benchmark that they use to decide who to recommend are PR features. 

And as long as you know that you can absolutely get featured without an agency and even without making a ton in sales. It's just a matter of picking the right product for the right season. And trust me, there are blogs and so many different outlets that you can choose from. You just need to do two things as a founder, which is what is the right relevance for the season and how can I make my pitch specific? 

I always say good pitches have two things in common, and that's relevance and specificity. Journalists get pitches all day every day. That's how the cookie crumbles, like Bruce Almighty says, so pitching absolutely works. Cold pitching works. Journalists are looking for new products. They don't want the same old products from these big box brands. So you're actually doing them a favor.

I think a lot of founders are like, “Well, they're not going to feature me because I don't have a celebrity spokesperson.” That's absolutely not true. We had people pouring candles in their garage on Etsy. We also have multi-seven figure consumer good brands and they all get featured. I think that first we need to address that. 

And you know what? If you know that people and the future of shopping is right here right now, which is AI being the new storefront. And the LLMs need something to pull from. And they like to pull from PR features. Then your job simply is just to get as many PR features as possible. That can be in terms of gift guides where you're mentioned in maybe 10 or 20. 

It could be a best of list. It could be someone writing about you who wrote a review. It could be a podcast like we're doing now. Anything that gives the LLMs and the internet structured trust signals. That's what I'm talking about. 

Hey everybody, just a quick reminder. Please like this video and subscribe if you haven't. We're releasing interviews like this every week. So don't miss out. Now back to the interview. 

Chase Clymer

A lot of what you're saying here draws parallels to what I know about SEO. Search engine optimization. And these PR features, these headlines, Google has this thing and all domains have this thing. There's a domain rank. And the higher your domain rank is basically, the more trust Google puts in it. So a lot of these press outlets and news outlets like CNN, like a domain rank of 99 or something like it's wild. I think Electric Eye is like 54. 

But the higher these things are, the longer your domain has been around. When you get a link on a website like that, it gives you more juice in an SEO sense. What I'm hearing from you is that a lot of the practices that people were doing to optimize for search engines are almost just as good for optimizing for these AI engines.

Gloria Chou

Yeah. So there's a lot of parallel. Traditional SEO is not going anywhere. I just raise your hand if you would rather Google and find out a bunch of things or just ask AI. So I think the consumer sentiment is actually shifting and people are just going to either abandon Google or ask AI. So we know that traditional SEO is here to stay. But the good thing about PR is that it feeds both at the same time. 

So it definitely feeds traditional SEO and it feeds GEO, which is AI discoverability. But I think certain things are outdated. For example, blogs. Blog all the time. If you started blogging in the 2000s, great. But now with keyword stuffing and just the saturation of being able to churn out content, the LLMs are just too smart and they know. So in terms of an AI point of view, it doesn't rank as high. So blogging is not a sufficient enough tactic right now unless it was 20 years ago. 

Also like social media, people do say that these engines do pull from social media. But again, it depends on the algorithm. So many factors we don't control and we have no idea. We can even talk about influencers. So influencers, they don't really give you SEO, but maybe it drives traffic. But then what if they get kicked out of the platform? Or what if something happens? 

So when I'm looking at a decision-making perspective as a founder, what is the highest leverage activity I can do for every hour of my time? It's definitely getting those backlinks because it simultaneously feeds everything. The regular search engines, also the AI search engines, and then also drives traffic, but also builds trust. 

Because if you think about it from a customer point of view, intent is so much higher when someone's clicking on a gift guide for Mother's Day. They're probably going to buy it. Their intention to buy is much higher than some random person on your feed who might have come across your product. So for all those reasons, it's just so important to get as many backlinks. 

When I say backlinks, we're talking about those organic features that then drive traffic to your site. That is what we need. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. And something that I think we definitely didn't touch on last time. But when you earn these backlinks from these amazing sources, you can then get their logo and put it on the homepage of your website as a trust signal. So you can say featured on CNN. There's a reason people do that because it instantly adds trust and it helps. 

It's a CRO thing where the reason people aren't buying your product is because they have fear and uncertainty and doubt about your product solving the problem that they're experiencing. But when you go, “Well, CNN thought that our product was good enough to feature.” 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. 

Chase Clymer

Instantly, people are trusting your product more. So not only are you getting that backlink that's helping with the SEO, it's helping with the AI. It's also driving up your organic results within Google and driving traffic to your store. But also double down and reuse that logo as a trust signal on your website to help the people that actually get to your website understand. 

Because not everyone's going to be coming from that article. This is an amazing article. But there's a lot of things here that work together. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. I love what you're talking about in terms of compound and leverage. I mean, that's how people build businesses. So how can I get the most leverage for one action? If I can get one press feature, I can repurpose that 20 different ways. Put it on my email newsletter, I can put on an email footer, I can put it on my website, I can make a social media campaign out of it. So I love the way that you're thinking about this because it absolutely is a snowball effect. 

And the thing that people don't know is once you get featured ones, you’re more likely to get featured over and over again as a skill set that you have. And now with these free tools like Perplexity.ai, that's free by the way, it actually brainstorms and comes up with the best angles. So I would love to get to the top 5 prompts when you're ready because this is so good. 

Chase Clymer

Oh, just one thing I want to say about [when] you're getting started in the PR game. You earn one mention. I think a lot of people have the tendency to say, “All right. Well, that's one time I can talk about it on my socials or in my email newsletter and I want them to just understand.” No. Talk about that thing for months. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. 

Chase Clymer

How many people are actually opening your newsletter? How many people are actually clicking on links? If you're getting a 5 % click-through rate. Okay, send it 20 times in your newsletter talking about it. Because I guarantee you people haven't seen it. Your fans haven't seen it. That is across the board, not brands. 

I would say I'm guilty about it. I get featured on some amazing blogs sometimes or on some amazing podcasts. And I post about it like once or twice on LinkedIn and I forget about it. So everybody needs to do a better job of [promoting] it]. Once you make a good piece of content, promote it a bunch. A lot. A lot more than you think you should. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. I mean, like 10 times more. And to talk about the press, actually, in terms of SEO, it's recommended that you actually make a press page on your own website. And so that drives even more traffic in terms of SEO and GEO because it creates an interconnected web. So I have a press page I'm building now on my new website. And it has links to all the podcasts that I've been on. And so that makes it very easy for people to discover me. 

And so what you want when we're looking for them because PR, is just an interconnected web of people linking to you, and you linking out. You saying how good you are all day and only go so far. But I do want to be cautious because there are a lot of people out there. There are a lot of companies out there who will be like, “Oh, I'll feature you here and you pay for a logo.” That is not what we're talking about. 

Chase Clymer

Yeah. Pay for placement. It's not the game.

Gloria Chou

Exactly. So they will get you quote, unquote, featured in a Yahoo Finance or something like that. But that's not editorial. That's not going to give you SEO juice. That's going to say advertising content. And again, it's just it's not going to help feed the algorithm at all. So just be careful of those services because they do exist. 

Chase Clymer

You just inadvertently made me realize I need to rebuild my website, my personal website, and make that press page. So thanks for the to-do. But let's pivot. I don't want to hear any more things I have to do. So let's pivot to the top 5 AI prompts that you had mentioned earlier. 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. It's so wonderful because what used to take a month from a PR agency, and they would charge you $5,000 for these prompts, have replaced [that], and can do it for you in 5 minutes. So the thing about what PR is, what's relevant and what are people covering. So you just type it in Perplexity. 

The first prompt would be, “My name is Chase. I'm the founder of XYZ. Here's my website. Please scan my website for context and imagery for editorial placement so that I can get featured in a gift guide or a product roundup. Please give me real-time citations and consumer insights so that I can make my pitch super compelling to an editor." 

Boom, within one second, it scans your website, it pulls data, maybe it pulls a report from somewhere. And it gives you all of the angles that would be pertinent to whatever you're selling. I don't care if it's a baseball bat or keyboard. 

And then you can say the second prompt would be, “Okay, great. These are really great angles. Please put it in a comparison chart for me from most to least likely to be featured in an editorial with the corresponding citation.” Boom, it's going to put it in a beautiful chart because I'm very visual in less than one second. And then you can pick what the angles are. 

The third prompt after that would be, “Okay, let's say you like angle one and three.” And it actually tells you why it's great. It tells you the citation or stat. And it tells you what outlet is good for. You can say, “Well, I like angles one and three.’ And this is when it gets really good. You can say, “Please write this pitch using Gloria Chou's CPR pitching method.” 

So all the LLMs already know my body of work. And I became known for coming up with the cold pitching method because again, I never worked in the PR industry. So I don't have any contacts. And so for five years, I was teaching people how to cold pitch and now the LLMs already know about it. So it actually writes the pitch for you. 

So I used to teach this. Here's how to write it. Here are some worksheets. The LLMs do it for you. So that's really what's so beautiful about it is that in just three seconds, it goes from ideation to finalizing the angle to writing the first draft of the pitch. And when I do this live in any workshop, people's jaws drop. 

Now, I will warn you, Perplexity is not a perfect writing tool. It's not a tool for writing. That's where ChatGPT comes in. But it's absolutely so great for ideating and brainstorming and getting the actual citation for why you want to cite that stat or number. That's where I would stop and then put everything. Literally copy and paste everything into ChatGPT. And then that can do the final edit. 

So that pretty much replaces what somebody would charge you $5,000 for. You can do it in 3 seconds just using those tools. And so that really covers, “What do I say?” Because PR is really simple. It's just, what do I say and who do I send it to? And what I showed you with Perplexity and ChatGPT is exactly how to write and know what to say. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. Yeah. I would say these AIs are there to empower people to do their job more efficiently and more effectively. And everybody should be bringing these workflows into their daily work habits. And hell, even your life in some instances. I'm using it for cooking, for working, all sorts of stuff just to make my life better. 

One area of caution though, I do agree with you is that some of these things aren't the best writers. And also just taking a step back from that my general consensus of all AI content is it is an amalgamation of all of the content. Therefore, at best, it's going to be average. So you should edit it. 

And you should put your own special sauce. And your special spin on it. And your perspective on it to elevate it above everybody else, especially if everyone's starting to take this angle and this play. How do you stand out? You give it another once over and you put your unique spin on it.

Gloria Chou

Yeah, totally. So what we're doing here is not an AI written pitch. It's using AI tools to do research that then you personalize and adapt it to your storefront. So a lot of people are like, well, I don't feel comfortable submitting an AI pitch to journalists. That's not what I'm saying. I don't want people to think that I'm here teaching you how to write an AI pitch. No, that's not what we're doing. 

And also know that the journalist is the one writing the story. You're not responsible for writing the story. So it's on them to actually write the final story. You just need to know what is the relevant insight that's perfect for this season and adapt it to your shop and then put your email in a more specific way. So you want to have the pricing, the shipping information. 

Do you have an affiliate link? Do you offer samples? Where can I find it? Is it in a big box store? Is it on Amazon? All of those things that you can cross your T's and dot your I's. That needs to be in the pitch as well. I also like to put two photos in there. Not as an attachment because it triggers spam, but embedded.

That's like the quick and dirty about how I would write the pitch. And really quickly, because we talked about it last time too, is the anatomy of the pitch has to be specific and relevant. And the subject line is what determines if it gets open or not. So you want the subject line not to say your name or the word pitch or story idea for you. You're wasting valuable real estate. 

What you want the subject line to say is almost like a gift guide article. Like best pickleball rackets for moms for Mother's Day or something like that under $200. Usually, I like to have the price point. I like to have the demographic and I like to have who it's for and then what the item is. So that's really a really good subject line. 

The thing about emails is that, Again, this is how people pitch and get featured hundreds of times in our community and around the world. It absolutely works. But you want it to be specific enough so that when the journalists [see it]. Because they're not going to answer every email. But you never know when they're going to be writing a story about your product. 

And so they go back into their inbox and do a quick search. And so that's why you want your email subject line to be specific enough. So that when they do a search for your product, and it's time to be written, they can easily pull it out and start writing. 

Chase Clymer

Yeah, that's amazing. I get a lot of pitches myself to be on the podcast because obviously, the main story feed is usually featuring a brand. A founder story or somebody on the leadership team. And it is very apparent, the difference between a good pitch and a bad pitch. 

Short and sweet is best. Scanability is best. Being direct is best. Sometimes, people don't make “the ask.” They [would say], here's a bunch of information. It's like, “Well, what do you want out of this information? You still have to ask.” 

Gloria Chou

Yeah. As simple as would this be a good fit for an upcoming story or episode? But you always want to lead with value. I think a lot of times, product owners are so invested in our product, we're so used to talking to the journalists like our customers. But the journalist is not going to buy from you. So we need to pivot that pitch. We need to tweak that pitch. We need to leave with the relevance.

For example, as people are looking for more TSA approved travel goods because the cost of travel has gone up, that is relevance. Or according to Vogue Business, searches for this have gone up 300%. That's relevance. That's what we're looking for. And that's what a tool like Perplexity is so good at doing for you because it actually tells you why your product would be uniquely situated for this point in time. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely, Gloria. Now, is there anything I didn't ask you about that we didn't cover? Obviously, on the last episode, December of 2024. Everybody go listen to that one. That you think would resonate with our audience. 

Gloria Chou

Gosh, there's just so many. I mean, we talked a lot in the previous episode about the timing, the dos and don'ts for pitching. So I did cover that a little bit. But I will say one thing I didn't touch on is why now we are in this incredible window of opportunity. And the reason why is because for decades or a century, if you wanted to get in front of customers, it was always the person who paid the platform the most. Or had the biggest following.

And for the first time in history, you can get in front of your customers, just like the big brands on a platform like ChatGPT. Because ads are still really nascent. It's still not really developed yet. And even with Claud and Antrophic, they're not running ads. And so this is a unique moment in time where as long as you do these steps that we talked about. And give the LLM something to pull from, which is structured PR like trust signals. 

Then you just have just as much of a shot. You don't have to be the biggest person on TikTok. You don't have to spend a ton of ad spend. So this is really unique at this point in time. Because you think about any other platform, Pinterest, TikTok. Who are the ones that get seen? It's the ones that pay the most or have amassed a ton of followers. 

And so we're still early on. I'm so glad that we had this conversation now. Because the LLMs are absolutely picking winners and losers right now. And if you wait for next season and if your competitor's name starts to stick, it'll be way harder to change that. So that's why I say like right now we're in this golden era where there are very few ads where you can compete. 

Where these free AI tools can absolutely help you. And they're making decisions now. So this is absolutely the best conversation to be having right now. Because if you wait, again, if you wait a year from now, it might be even more difficult. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. Yeah. What we're talking about right now is you starting a keyword blogging strategy 2 years after Google gets released. This is the exact same impact. If you start putting the foundation in now, and these AI engines start to acquire and learn about your brand, it's going to pay dividends in the future. And that's the advantage of smart brands that do [early adoption]. 

Early adoption is like a criteria or like a segment of people. So the early adopters of TikTok, you saw how they started to print money as they figured it out and learned with it. I still think you could probably make TikTok work for you now. But it's gonna be a little bit harder than the people that really got into it five years ago. Right now is the time to get into gamifying this, AEO or whatever you want to call optimizing for AI. 

Gloria Chou

Totally. I always say it's like blogging in the 2000s or getting on TikTok right when it started. And this is the next thing. So I'm just so happy we're having this conversation. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. Now Gloria, I'm listening to this. I'm like, wow, this woman knows what she's talking about. I want to learn more from her. Where should I go? What should I do? 

Gloria Chou

Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I really pride myself on doing things the untraditional way and just breaking the old model. Because I think we're in a time where it's so easy for us to innovate. And so I absolutely do think that the PR industry is right for disruption. It's been way too traditional. And AI can help you with that. 

If you want to learn more, I do have a free masterclass that walks you through and actually does a screen share of how I use Perplexity. Your jaw will drop by seeing how easy and quick it is. You can watch it for free at gloriachoupr.com/masterclass. That's Gloria C-H-O-U-PR dot com slash masterclass. 

And I'm on Instagram as well as gloriachoupr. And if you DM me the word “Chase”, I will give you a free resource that will help you on your way. So that you can go and get featured and start getting recommended by ChatGPT. 

Chase Clymer

Absolutely. Gloria, thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing all these amazing insights with us. 

Gloria Chou

Thank you.